TWELVE QUESTIONS EDITION #4 1.1.16

EDITOR’S NOTE: Once in a while I come across an Econoline that just hits the spot. A cream puff. A sweetheart.  We've all seen 'em. And when Rodger Will sent a shot to our Facebook page, I to know more, I asked its owner if I could do a Vinvanco "Twelve Questions" post about this gorgeous Econoline Panel Van. Rodger Will agreed. As we soon discovered, Rodger is new to the van scene and looks forward to meeting more vanners this year in Milford, MI when he takes his van to the Baker's Annual Meeting of the Earlies event. Without any further adieu, let's get this #4 edition of our twelve questions series cranked over in celebration of the new year. 

VINVANCO PRESENTS: TWELVE QUESTIONS WITH RODGER WILL.

1. WHAT'S THE STORY OF YOUR VAN, RODGER? HOW DID YOU FIND IT AND WHAT CONDITION WAS IT IN?

I live in the Detroit area and work for Ford Motor Company. My current collecting passion is old 2-stroke pedal mopeds and motorcycles, and I use a 1994 Ford Ranger to haul them around to collector events. Many of these events are in areas that would favor a van, for locking bikes and tools, and occasionally for a place to sleep. One day on the way to work, I saw a 1963 E100 van for sale at a body shop. It was a runner, but needed glass, bodywork and paint.  I was reluctant to embark on yet another project, so I passed.  However, I kept watching eBay and craigslist for E100 vans. A few weeks passed and then this van, a very early 1965 E100 popped up on craigslist, and I made a deal.

2. WHAT MODIFICATIONS DOES YOUR VAN HAVE? 

I just purchased the van. Its second owner restored it over 20 years ago. It was originally a flower delivery van from Harbor Springs, MI. The van was pretty solid, with 45,000 miles, but showed typical wear. 

  

The previous owner started the restoration with a goal of keeping it as original as possible. The main modification was to encapsulate the under body with an industrial coating to prevent future rust, and to line the inside floor with Rhino-liner coating.  Also, a custom exhaust header was made, and a dual right side exhaust was added.  



An electric cooling fan was added for parade duty. There are a few cosmetic modifications, like a white roof, seat belts, chrome bumpers, blue dot tail lights, deleted vent windows on the front doors, 2 school bus seats, and a removable center console and stereo.  Also, the rear suspension had a shackle kit installed to slightly raise the back end.  All of the original parts, including taillights, window doors, steel wheels, and dog bowl hubcaps came with the van.  

The restoration done 20 years ago also included an engine rebuild to allow unleaded gas to be used.  All suspension and brake components were replaced including steering, kingpins, and brake lines. The paint was the correct Caribbean Turquoise, but a white roof was added. The interior was painted where needed, including the dash. 

The van currently has 55,000 total miles.

3. DID YOU CONSULT WITH OTHERS WHO HAVE OR HAD A FIRST-GENERATION VAN BEFORE YOU BOUGHT YOURS?

I did a bit of online research, but did not engage anyone before the sale. Now, I have found a Facebook group, and some other sites like econoline.org to get advice and information.

4.  WHAT HAS BEEN THE HARDEST PART OF OWNING A VINTAGE VAN?  

I'm still in the honeymoon period, I've had no issues aside from finding winter storage.

5. HOW WAS YOUR ECONOLINE’S RIDE HEIGHT ACHIEVED?

The rear shackle kit slightly raised the rear, but the rest is stock suspension.

6. I FIND THE PAINT ON YOUR VAN STUNNING. HOW DID YOU ARRIVE AT THE COLOR OR WAS IT PURCHASED WITH THAT PAINT?

I bought the vehicle this way.  It’s a 20-year-old driver-grade paint job that has worn well.  There are a few areas that need touching up due to age, but I think it looks great.  
It’s the stock Caribbean Turquoise, with a white roof.  As you can see by the old restoration photos and the build plate, it is the stock color.

7. YOUR ECONOLINE ISN’T HEAVILY MODIFIED -- LOWERED, MURALED, PORTHOLED OR CB EQUIPPED. AND YET IT’S SUPER TASTY. IS THAT BY DESIGN? 

I love stock looking bikes and classic mid-century design, and this van embodies this. In back, there are 2 school bus seats, but I plan on only running the small single seat in back to give me more bike storage space. I need to design a tie-down system in back.  



Also, I plan on alternating the stock wheels and the American Racing wheels depending on my mood.  















The stereo is a great example of how I like to keep things modern, but without having to cut the dash or other sheet metal.  It’s an older Sony CD head unit. The stereo and front speakers are housed in a custom console that is removable.  



The rear speakers are in kicker boxes that are plug and play.

8. I HAVEN’T SEEN THE INTERIOR, OTHER THAN THE FRONT CAB. 
IS THE REST OF THE INTERIOR CUSTOMIZED?

The only interior modifications are the seat belts, and 2 school bus seats in back, a single and one a double. I plan on making those removable, and adding some retractable tie down anchors for bikes.  It’s a very stock van.

9. ARE YOU PLANNING ANY ADDITIONAL CHANGES?

 I plan no other cosmetic changes, but I am probably going to put a Borg Warner overdrive transmission in it to make highway cruising more enjoyable.

10. WHAT DRIVE TRAIN ARE YOU RUNNING? WHAT ARE THE PLUSES AND MINUSES?

It’s the 170, but bored .30 over during the rebuild.  The transmission and rear axle are stock, but I plan on adding a Borg Warner T-86 with an R10 overdrive. These vans are geared very low, and I plan on driving the van to and from moped and motorcycle gatherings across many states. Lowering the RPM’s on the expressway with an overdrive would better accommodate long distance travels.

11. WHAT SIZE RIMS AND TIRES ARE YOU RUNNING AND HOW IS THAT WORKING OUT FOR YOU?

I actually have 2 sets.  The van currently has 14” American Racing wheels with 225-70R-14 Cooper Charger tires.  The other set of wheels I have are black stock steel wheels with the factory bias ply tires, with white and red dog bowl hubcaps.  I plan on replacing the old bias ply tires with black wall radials of some type. I also have a set of chrome and black dog bowls, which may work better with the chrome trim.

12. IF YOU COULD DO ANYTHING DIFFERENTLY ON YOUR VAN’S BUILD, WHAT WOULD IT BE?

I’d have all the locks share a common key. Otherwise, it is exactly what I was looking for. I love the color.  It harkens back to a time where American automotive design was the standard of the world. I have a friend who is a stylist for one of the Detroit 3, and she was blown away when she saw it. [EDITOR'S NOTE: So were we Rodger, so were we. ]

We'd like to thank Rodger Wills for taking the time to share his beautiful Econoline with us. If you know someone who has a nice early van that they’d like to have featured, send us their contact info. In the meantime, Keep on Vannin’!

THE END.

A RARE FIND FOR VAN FANS

Click coaster to purchase your very own for three bucks. 

Those who know Debbie and I can attest to the fact that we love picking. Yard sales, estate sales, no pile of junk is safe from us. We're constantly finding cool stuff to embed in shift knobs for our hotrodshiftknob's web store. Cool vintage brooches, old Ford, Chevy and Dodge memorabillia. The other day, we tripped upon something really cool in the garage of someone who must have been a liquor rep. We unearthed a big ol' stack of drink coasters from an old ad campaign for Canadian Club. What made these particular coasters a real find is the photo and the line that appears on a non-recipe side. A young dude in beach trunks is flanked by two young ladies. The line reads, "Your Dad Had A Van For A Reason".  The guy selling these had no way of knowing that I own Vintage Van Company. But he did know that I really dug these coasters. I asked him what he wanted and it was a lot more than I expected to pay. Then I realized. I didn't just want these coasters. I needed them for my van fans. I needed to offer these puppies in my store. So I bought 'em hook line and sinker and assured Debbie that vanners would love 'em. The jury is still out. Feel free to prove me right.

WHEN IN ROME -- A VISIT WITH COBY GEWERTZ, VAN GO'S OWNER.

While in Southern California, Debbie and I had occasion to stop by for a quick visit with Coby Gewertz, owner of Van Go.

Little did we know what a treat we were in for.

Coby's pad/art studio is like a visiting the world's coolest lowbrow gallery. Everywhere I turned there was eye candy from the coolest hot rod artists of this, and past generations. We're talking original works from Roth, Jeffries, Ed Newton, Winfield, Barris.

Out of courtesy, I resisted the temptation to snap pics like a manic tourist. In retrospect, I wish I'd at least taken one snap.  But I didn't. So I'll just say this. I always knew Coby was a killer graphic designer, but I never realized until yesterday morning was what a prolific collector of hot rod art the dude is.

Now for the good news. While I might not have had the good sense to take pics, my reason for the visit was to pick up a bunch of cool van art for the Vinvanco site designed by Coby for his Church, Cars Not Culture brand.

You've probably seen Church's "Van Go" artwork, where the type is stacked within a 3/4 illustration of his his van.

Well we now carry that artwork in stickers, as well as one other design. But here's the bigger news. We now have the final 18 fine art prints that Coby made of his Van Go, when he introduced it six years ago. A limited run of 63, in honor of his van's year, we've got the last 16 prints and they'll soon be in the Vinvanco store.  We intend to load them onto our site shortly after returning home.

So if you've always loved Van Go, here's your chance to park an art print in your man cave. Or, if you're anything like Coby, anywhere you feel like putting it. And if you just want to grab a couple Van Go stickers, you know where to go.

Stay tuned for more Van merch from Church, including a exclusive Vinvanco "Van Go" T-shirt which is currently in the planning stages.

Happy holidays, vanners.

TWELVE QUESTIONS WITH STEVE LUCKETT

EDITOR'S NOTE: With the launch of our website last week, we're going to get busier with our web blog by reaching out to fellow vanners who are either in the throes of building the next generation of early custom vans or have just finished creating a vintage van worth talking about. To that end, it's time to dust of the Vinvanco's "Twelve Questions" format, which we began with the Shiner Beer van, and continued with Coby Gewertz and his incredible Van Go. We recently reached out to Steve Luckett who has been sharing pics of the early Econoline panel van he's been building with his own two hands. Still in its build phase, Steve was good enough to let us in on some of the things he's learned as his van approaches ever closer to the road. We can't wait. 

ACE KUSTOM VAN BUILDER STEVE LUCKETT ANSWERS 12 QUESTIONS:

1. WHAT'S THE BACKGROUND STORY OF YOUR VAN. HOW DID YOU FIND IT AND ARRIVE AT YOUR BUILD PLAN? 

Well, I had always been into vans since before I was driving and my first vehicle was a '79 Chevy van. I did its body work and paint. I always wanted a vintage flat- faced van but never thought I would find one. Years later and along came the internet. I found out they really are out there, and that sometimes you have to drive pretty far to get them. 

Back in 2006, I saw the yellow bagged Econoline that had popped up online, and it was downhill for me after that. I knew I had to build my own Econoline.  One that would lay rocker and sit on the ground just like the yellow one did. I scoured  the Internet for pictures of that van and saved every one of it that I could find. I discovered there were two bagged Econolines that were able to lay frame. I actually scored my van relatively near me, from a guy on the H.A.M.B. for $650 and it was a driver. I drove it for a couple of years before I dove in. 

2. DID YOU TALK TO OTHERS WHO HAD DONE IT BEFORE YOU STARTED. IF SO, WHAT DID YOU LEARN? 

Not at first. I studied those two vans and noticed that they were both unfinished trailer queens built by mini truckers and never finished. I studied them both and to figure out what i would do differently when i did mine. I was full-on committed to doing my van and was pretty far into doing all the body work, custom sheet metal work and had my floor cut out with just the cross members showing. 

Then I discovered Coby Gewertz on the H.A.M.B. and his Van Go project, which was way further along than mine. I started pestering him and he was helpful from the very beginning, telling me about all the issues that were going to come about. There had been other vintage vans that had Air-Ride suspension, either just in the rear, or front and rear, but Coby’s Van Go was the first bagged Econoline to lay rocker and most importantly to drive. A lot of people truly don't get that and unfortunately end up bailing out of their project when the going got too tough.

3. WHAT HAS BEEN OR IS THE HARDEST PART OF THE BUILD?

Pretty much Everything. Haha. There isn't a forum you can turn to with tons of knowledge or direction to send you down the right path of building something like this. There aren’t a ton of people who've already done it that you can consult with. It's just not out there. Everything had to be figured out on my own because I did the entire van myself. The hardest fabrication aspect of the van was the front end and the path I chose. 

(Steve: If it was easy, everybody would be doing it.)

I opted to keep my stock motor and tranny with the 3 on the tree and that opened up another can of worms with the shift linkage and getting it around the new front crossmember. I chose to convert to cable and it worked out good.

4. WHO HAS BEEN THE MOST HELPFUL TO YOU ALONG THE WAY? ANY MENTORS?

Coby Gewertz and Tim Conders. Their Van Go project really paved the way for me and showed that it's possible to do this and make a slammed Econoline totally drivable. Brian Morris talked me through a lot of my hardships, too, with doing the front brakes and filled me in on doing the affordable Isuzu steering gearbox.

5. WHAT PARTS DID YOU USE TO ACHIEVE THE FRONT END DROP? My front end is a universal bagged Mustang II kit that was grafted into my frame, which has a 5" body drop. The biggest obstacle was that the widest mustang clip offered was nowhere near the width between my frame rails and I basically needed to be sub-railed in. You can get a lot of drop with just a clip but you have to revise the frame to get   the body drop to sit all the way on the ground. The steering rack needed to be flipped, since the van’s steering column is in front of the front axle instead of behind the axle like in the Mustang. By doing this, you end up reversing the way the steering works. So you have to reverse it again to make the steering normal. The Isuzu gearbox comes directly off the stock column to make the steering normal again. The biggest nightmare for me on this entire project was overcoming this and making it even worse was the fact that the master cylinder/brake booster, shift linkage, and the gear box are all in the same spot. Trying to make everything clear the others things and work properly was a challenge.

6. WHAT ARE YOU USING FOR A STEERING BOX AND STEERING COLUMN?

I kept my stock steering column but moved it down about 2 inches in the column support. At the end of my column is a steering rag joint that goes directly into the Isuzu steering box, which in turn goes back to the rack. It took quite a bit of thinking to make a mounting bracket to hold the gearbox and it also needed the master cylinder/booster attached to it.

7. TALK TO ME ABOUT THE FABRICATION WORK THAT WAS NEEDED ON THE INNER FRONT DOORS. DO YOUR FRONT WINDOWS ROLL ALL THE WAY DOWN?

Since the frame is 5 inches higher than it was originally, the fender wells had to come up to allow clearance for the tires. I built my front wheel wells so there is only about 1/2 inch of clearance when the van is fully aired out. I did this knowing that if I kept them as tight as possible, it would give me the most headroom clearance since the van’s seat mounts on its wheel wells. Now that the wheel wells were raised the inner front doors needed to be cut out for clearance. My windows don't go the all the way down because of the way my wells were built. The windows stick up about 2 inches.

8. HOW ABOUT THE REAR END, WHAT ARE YOU RUNNING AND HOW ARE YOU SUSPENDING IT? 

I’m running a bagged four-link setup that is tied into my frame’s 5-inch body drop. For me, hanging the rear and making the frame modifications was the easier part of the project.

9. WHERE DID THE IDEA FOR SINKING-IN THE HEADLIGHTS AND TAIL LIGHTS COME FROM?

Well, since Coby and his crew set the bar so high with Van Go, I really wanted to take as much of a different path as I could to make my van different. I figured I could probably achieve this by sheet metal work. My body mods are just a lot of old school kustom tricks that all the big guys used to do to the hot rods I grew up being blown away by. I took a lot of those concepts and tried to add as much of my own flavor as I could to come up with something different. I took a lot of chances with some of the stuff and it seemed to work out OK. 

10. WHAT PARTS COULD THE AFTERMARKET COMMUNITY PROVIDE THAT WOULD MAKE DROPPING A VINTAGE VAN MORE FEASIBLE FOR OTHER ENTHUSIASTS?

That seems like it may be a hard one to answer. Aftermarket bolt-on lowering items are one thing, and there is a lot of universal stuff out there to help you, but there's comes a point where every inch it goes down some crazy new obstacle to tackle rears its ugly head. A lot of people look at a slammed van and think it's no different than doing the same to a truck or car, but they're wrong. The fact of is there are few vehicles as challenging because you are sitting over the axle in a first-generation van. There's a point when you are going to lose an inch of headroom for every additional inch of lowering.There's just no way around it. That and the steering configuration are two of the biggest things to overcome.

11. ANYTHING YOU WOULD HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY?


Yes! When Brian Morris did his wheel wells, he set them in enough to allow his windows to roll all the way down. I was already pretty far into doing mine when I saw what he'd done. I really thought I was going to be able to pull off getting the windows to go all the way down without doing that. I wasn't. But I can live with the compromise in comfort for the end product. Also, my van’s body was fairly riddled with rot. It would have made a lot more sense to start the project with a cleaner donor. I guess you deal with what you have.

12. WHAT ADVICE WOULD YOU GIVE OTHERS PLANNING TO BUILD A VINTAGE VAN?

I would say just study what all is going on and understand how much metal work is involved in getting these on the ground. It really takes a lot of commitment to the project. Good luck!